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How Do Asian Students Get to the Top of the Class?
Why do many Asian students excel? The secret is parenting, say the authors of the provocative book "Top of the Class: How Asian Parents Raise High Achievers - and How You Can Too."
While Asian Americans make up only 4% of the U.S. population, Asian-American students make up a much higher percentage of student bodies in top universities
Dr. Soo Kim Abboud and Jane Kim

around the country. The percentages are astounding: 24% at Stanford, 18% at Harvard, and 25% at both Columbia and Cornell. More Asian Americans over the age of 25 have bachelor's degrees and advanced degrees than any other race or ethnic group. And after outperforming their colleagues in school, Asian Americans also bring home higher incomes than their non-Asian counterparts — almost $10,000 more annually than the rest of the population (2002 statistics).

So what does this mean? Are Asian students simply smarter? Contrary to what much of the public may believe, Asian students are no more intellectually gifted than non-Asian students are. The reason that Asian students outperform their peers in the classroom has nothing to do with how they were born and everything to do with how they are raised.

The statistics are startling, so we decided to explore and reveal the various practices or "secrets" Asian families utilized to maximize their children's chances at academic and professional success. Top of the Class: How Asian

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Parents Raise High Achievers - and How You Can Too was the result of these efforts. In Top of the Class, we discuss 17 practices that are common throughout many Asian households; we also include a section discussing the parenting pitfalls to which many Asian parents fall victim.

While many of the practices are common sense, others may surprise you. In this article, we will focus on two of the 17 practices, provide examples, and show you how you can incorporate these methods into your own household...with great results.

Clearly Define Your Child's Role as a Student

We all assume different roles in society: for example, that of accountant, physician or homemaker. Imagine if there were an abundance of lawyers but not enough teachers. What if everyone decided to become a pilot but no one wanted to be a police officer? Just as a community needs people in different roles in order to function well, a family needs its members to carry out different duties so it can run smoothly. Asian families believe in specific roles for each member of the family — and the children are no exception. In our experience, children in Asian families tend to have more clearly defined roles than their American counterparts, and we believe this is one reason why Asian students tend to excel in the classroom.

While American children are dividing their time between a thousand different extracurricular activities in addition to household chores, Asian students are concentrating more on their schoolwork. The role of Asian children in the family is clear-cut and two-fold:

  • Respect your elders and obey your parents.
  • Study hard and do well in school to secure a bright future.

Our parents firmly believed in roles, and they ensured that each member of the family carried out his or her role to the best of his or her ability. Our father was the breadwinner during the day and an educator at night. Our mother kept the house and finances in order during the day and also became an educator at night. Our role during the day was to obey our teachers and do our best in the classroom; our role at night was to obey our parents and focus on our continued studies at home (which included homework, review of previously learned material and any additional assignments our parents gave us). Of course, we also cleaned our rooms, set the table, did the dishes and played outdoors, but we didn't have the multitude of distractions that many non-Asian children faced once school ended.

Non-Asian children often equate the final ring of the school bell with freedom from learning and education. Therein lies the difference between many Asian children and their peers. Many non-Asian children view their roles in the classroom and at home very differently. Unfortunately, many children are not taught that the role of student is one to be assumed during and after school hours.

On the contrary, Asian students rarely shed the role of student. Regardless of their roles during the day, Asian parents transform into educators at night. The Asian parents we knew placed the utmost importance in their role as educators, and their children reaped the benefits. None of the top scientists, musicians or athletes would reach their pinnacles of success by doing just the bare minimum. The same principle holds true for becoming a great student.

Asian parents do several things that allow their children to embrace the role of student:

  • They manage their children's time outside of school.
  • They assume the role of educator after school hours.
  • They teach their children that being a student is both fun and rewarding (with the help of their children's educators).
  • They have a genuine respect for educators.

To encourage your children to embrace the role of student, turn your home into an exciting place for learning! Set aside at least one hour every night to focus on homework or review the subjects your children are struggling with. Even after the homework is done, review the principles learned that day at school together. If you, as parents, are willing to spend time and effort on your children's studies, your children will more likely view their schoolwork as meaningful. For the same reason, the more fun you have reviewing the material together, the better! Our father loved to conjure up additional problems to reinforce our homework assignments — without them, he was never fully convinced that we understood the material.

When it's time for your children to tackle the books, make sure they are in a place where you can see them. This way, they can come to you with questions and you can also ensure they are doing their homework (and not goofing off, or dozing off). Of course, don't forget to allow your children some time to unwind and relax, particularly immediately after coming home from school.

Getting your children to embrace being students also involves individualizing methods of learning that will work best for them. In order to determine what these methods are, schedule frequent meetings with your children's teachers and get their feedback on what learning and teaching methods work best for them. After all, these educators spend all day with your kids and can easily identify their strengths and weaknesses. Once you have this information, your teaching (and your children's learning) will become more effective.

Finally, we can't stress enough how important it is to instill a respect for educators in your children. Asian parents possess the utmost respect for educators, and this respect is passed onto their children. Asian parents never undermine an educator's authority, and they view their children's educators as collaborators — not adversaries. If your children do not respect their educators, it will be incredibly difficult — if not impossible — for them to respect and embrace their roles as students.

Reward Positive School Performances and Devise a Plan of Attack for Poor School Performances

All parents and educators believe in positive reinforcement for a job well done. However, many American parents also reward their children for mediocre school performances, fearing that if they are too negative, they might permanently damage their children's self-esteem. While positive reinforcement is effective and feels good, the goal of a parent interested in raising achievers should be to mainly reward performances that are praiseworthy. Of course, we are in no way advocating harsh punishment. While this may improve school performance temporarily, the pressure, resentment and fear this strategy fosters in your children can have negative long-term repercussions.

While American parents continually try to boost their children's self-esteem, Asian parents tend to dole out praise less frequently. If your son is struggling in biology class and brings home a poor grade despite hours of studying, don't simply praise his efforts and ignore his grade. After praising him for his dedication, sit down with him to discuss how his efforts can result in a better grade the next time around (you may need to include his educator).

It's OK to show your child that you are proud of his effort yet unsatisfied with his performance. While American parents go to great lengths to stress the importance of effort regardless of the result, Asian parents tend to be more results-oriented. Stressing both effort and achievement rather than effort alone can make all the difference in your child's academic performance without in any way hurting your child's emotional well-being.

Parents play a crucial role in their child's academic and professional success. In Top of the Class: How Asian Parents Raise High Achievers - and How You Can Too, we discuss 17 ways parents can raise children to love learning and maximize their intellectual potential. While many of the methods run counter to our American culture, we believe that no other investment a parent can make will provide as many long-term rewards.

Dr. Soo Kim Abboud is a surgeon and clinical assistant professor at the University of Pennsylvania. Jane Kim is an attorney and immigration specialist at the Children's Hospital of Pennsylvania. To learn more about the authors, purchase a copy of Top of the Class: How Asian Parents Raise High Achievers - and How You Can Too, or schedule a speaking engagement or seminar, please visit www.topoftheclassonline.com or email them at info@topoftheclassonline.com.

March 2007

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Comments From GreatSchools.net Users
07/14/2008:
"I'm 25 and looking at my past I've never been a good student. As you'll see my grammar isn't good. I've always wonder why some kids do better than others and why Asian kids have done very well? It's really very simple, Asian parents are very strict. It's no hidden serect or Asian philosophy. Greatness is the result of strenuous hard work. America culture is very liberal compare to Asian nations. Places like China,Korea,Japan...education is very demanding. America stresses freedom even for children. When live in a soceity that stresses happiness as a matter of success than accomplishment. Every person in America has been asked when they were young,'What do you want to be when you grow up? This implies that you have the freedom to be what makes you happy. This isn't the case with Asian kids. Your accomplisments and contribution to your family status are more important than your personal happiness. The pressure on Asian children to noting to do with the myth that Asians vaule e! ducation more than non-Asians. It becomes an issue of social status and views of success. "

05/5/2008:
"My husband and I are caucasian, but we have raised our children similar to the asian parents described in this article. Our oldest daughter is graduating high school at 16 and will begin her college education in biomedical engineering. She was accepted into a program that has the student attend college for 3 yrs. then enter med school (w/out mcat) for 4. A few yrs ago a neighbor told me that I should let my daughter be a 'kid.' Well, her 'kid' was recently expelled from school for narcotics posession and is living in a rehabilitation center. I don't think that my husband and I are too demanding. We simply expect our children to assume the roles and responsibilities of students. We do not expect them to work outside of our home or run to various after school activities. They have enough just trying to do well in school. "

03/18/2008:
"'More Asian Americans over the age of 25 have bachelor's degrees and advanced degrees than any other race or ethnic group.' False. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africans_in_the_United_States"

03/17/2008:
"Thank you very much for this insightful article. My concern to find this information is based on the fact that my young grandchildren are continually rewarded with material gifts as rewards for school achievement. I am not totally in agreement with this. If possible I would appreciate a response to my concern. I taught for 25 years, and I was always so impressed with the willingness to learn and achieve from my Asian students."

03/12/2008:
"I`d like to see a break down by nationality. I`ve been living in Japan for 6 years and teaching in the schools for most of that time. From what I see parents here don`t do as much raising aswhat my parents did in the USA. The school teaches them morals... literally, there are moral educaztion classes in Japanese schools. The kids in Jr. High (and likely in High school) are often at school until after 5:30 on many nights. Many or most students then go to cram school, sometime returning home AFTER 9. Manners and respect in the classroms sometimes seem to be non existant. The teachers fequently do little or nothing to put an end to the behavior. As I intially stated, I would like to see the category 'Asians' broken down by nation. I think it might be interesting to see."

01/25/2008:
"As an elementary school teacher, I totally agree with having respect for the teacher. When I get students and parents who respect my role, I almost don't resent being in my classroom from 7:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. on many days. From my experience, I do see that Asian-American students score better on tests. Why? The reason is that their parents make education their PRIORITY!!! I assign about 40 min. of written homework each day plus 20-30 min. of reading for 8 year olds. None of the Asian parents complained, but the other parents wanted no homework or only 5-10 min. of work per day. Hello? Some kids take 5 min. to write down their name and date. The Asian parents thank me and appreciate my hard work. Not all, but many of my non-Asian parents would criticize my high expectations. I instill responsiblity and hard work among all my students. They don't agree with the amount of work I give them in class and for homework. By the end of the school year, most of my Asian students! perform much higher than the others. Yes, they are not stressed, plus they are actually happier than those who are given too many choices at such a young age. Usually the same complaining parents come back and ask why their children's scores were not as high as those who are just learning English. My respose is always HARD WORK! People have to know that hard working students can also be happy and well rounded. I've been teaching for 12 years and it's the same pattern just about every year. Just to let you know, many have come back to thank me for giving them a good foundation in their early school years. "

01/8/2008:
"I as a substitute teacher do agree highly with the statement of 'respect for their educators? My sons are Ameriasians. My oldest is a math genious in his area. It is best to 'play' the educators when the children are very young, especially during the elemnentary years!!!! I know, because that worked for my children. Also my mother was an educator with her assistance my boys wouldn't be where they are today. She helped me to teach my boys how to remember do their spelling words"

10/30/2007:
"Hi this is a great article, but it's funny how Asians are good in school in every country but most of the Asian people still want to immigrate to the United States or somewhere in Western Europe. Is there a reason why? If we are so smart, most of the Asian countries should be on first world status. Japan, Korean, Hong Kong, even China were all built by Americans (White people)after WWI so in a way, I think we are book worms and we do not use our learning to influence our culture in an effective and efficient way. One other negative aspect of us being good in school is that at the end, most of us do not own anything. Ok maybe Yahoo and few other Asian owned firms, but again for the amount of 'good students' we have, we should run this country by now shouldn't we? Are we? For example, with a due respect, the writer is a doctor; ok do you own the hospital? Are you the dean of the dept? Do you have a huge clinic like Bascom-Palmer in FL? Again, this is not to disrespect the writer, there are so many of us highly educated and that is a good thing, BUT WITHOUT TRUE OWNERSHIP, WE ARE JUST BOOKWORMS. Can you really name several multilateral corp. owned and operated by Asians? I bet you there is a few in every Asian country, but if you compared to European and European Americans in the world, they might not be good in school during K-12, but they have today 80% if wealth in this world. And they run and own the world media to support it. Thank you for reading. Jonathan Lee "

10/26/2007:
"it is really interesting to read, and learn about the attitude and pain the Asian community are taking. But when we are talking about the same in my country - India, we are facing different problem, here the childern are areadly been feeded with Cast based opportunity. In many a time the brilliant to brilliant students are forced to not to take up the desired courses, wheter it is in the name of Muslim/Hindi/Sikh/Chri./SC/ST/OBC - or any other minoritie's name. What is the solution of this problem. Do the Asian are facing the same issue there, or they are open to take any of the subject of their interest. "

10/19/2007:
"Being an Asian-American, this is rather interesting... and extremely stereotyping. In all honesty, if it was a white person that wrote this, he/she would be shunned for stereotyping. For instance, my parents raised me up in almost exactly how you describe. And I do notice Asian students tend to succeed in academics more. Well, I utterly rejected it. I consistently got 'average' grades which led to many not-so-happy confrontations between parents and students (I hope that's under pitfalls?). I really just couldn't handle being a student all day long. I needed freedom. I needed a social life. If one were to raise his/her child this way, that child would, in all honesty, probably not know the meaning of 'enjoying life'. Just my two cents."

10/3/2007:
"to be honest with you this kind of outlook on life kind of pisses me off. kids have the rest of their lives as adults to work yet asain parents tend to push them right into the future so to speak.They pressure them about getting a good job and pretty soon its all they know. they become robots 'must get a good job' The kids never get to experience that precious time of being a child and having no worries. "

06/20/2007:
"I just have two points to make: 1st, as a non-Asian, my daughter scores incredibly high on those standardized tests and absolutely loves learning, and 2nd, grades are not exactly the be-all and end-all. My daughter had a horrible 5th grade year because her teacher graded her harshly due to my daughter's flagrant boredom in her classroom. This school did not offer gifted programs and my daughter learns things more quickly than other kids her age. We do 'homework' and 'studies' over the summer break because I believe summer vacation does not mean let your brain turn to mush time."

06/4/2007:
"Hi. I'm a twelve-year old student, 7th grade, from eastern NC, and I have an Asian background My mom sent me an e-mail about your book. I recognize some strong similarities between your 'Asian methods' and my parents' methods. I also agree that a lot of kids my age do not see that school does not end when the bell rings."

05/14/2007:
"Yes, there seems to be a high correlation between parental management/manipulation of their children's time and and a high grade point average. What I haven't seen mentioned here is that Asian American college students also suffer from an alarmingly high suicide rate. What a high price to pay for good grades."

05/7/2007:
"I truly enjoyed reading this article. Teaching children to respect their parents and and all of educators is a critical part of assisting our children to develop good life long habits. As a parent being involved in PTA and wanting my daughters to do well academically I see I am on the right path. Thank you for posting this article and thanks to Dr. Soo Kim Abboud and Jane Kim for writting the books. Kudos."

04/26/2007:
"I'm an African-American that was raised in Hawaii amongst mostly Asians and I feel very balanced as a parent because I have the best of both worlds. I learned so much by osmosis from Asian culture and am forever thankful for that. So when I read this artile I kept shaking my head in agreement. The key I believe is balance and I've somehow been able to harness those Asian ways I was raise with and mix them with the best of African-American culture and create a parenting style that's something to be reckoned with. And my daughter is the fruit of that. She's at the top of her class but also has so much soul...I think I need to write a book now too!! I enjoyed reading this article because without a doubt there are strong lessons many family could learn and apply from an understanding of how Asians raise their children.Respect for educators is important and it doesn't just effect their school performance, but it also effects their behavior as citizens in society--they just don't act out as much as other people do. (And the Visginia Tech nutcase is not like that because of his race--he's just mentally ill.) I do think however that the Asian way isn't totally perfect (but what ethnicity has corned the market?). "

04/23/2007:
"I agree with the comments in this article. I am not asian but am familiar with the academic pressures Asian families tend to place on their children. I liked this article because the authors still stressed a gentle approach to motivation and addressing less than perfect grades. Lets face it, we all want our children to succeed. And the liberal mentality today is not helping our children. Having high expectations and setting standards along with respect is the ONLY way you can help your children. I agree that they need social extracurricular activities that they enjoy but in limited amounts. Many kids today do have a sense of entitlement. It seems to be an acceptable behavior amongst their peers. If more parents set higher standards for their kids, more kids would find this other behavior unacceptable. Maybe then teachers could actually do their job. I agree that generally both parents are working making it difficult to be after hours educators, but if your children are you! r priority, even the smallest amount of time spent with them is beneficial. Children need to NOT want to disappoint their parents. With the liberal attitudes, 'it's a free for all'. So the Asian outlook on life has much to do with their success. It is called RESPECT!"

04/23/2007:
"My college room-mate was a Viet Nam refugee. Although her English was far from perfect, she majored in chemical engineering. One day I asked her what made her and other Asian students so smart? Her answer surprised me. She said it had nothing to do with being smarter but rather with working harder. She was the one who rolled into bed at 4 a.m. several days a week. Her ambition was self-driven, but rooted in the traditions and ethics of her culture. She had been one of the orphans airlifted from Saigon after it fell to the communists. I think when things are not handed to you on a silver-platter your entire life that you're more likely to strive to make something of yourself. I try to remember that, now that I have kids of my own. The American consumerist society makes it a real challenge though. My kids expect all the same things their peers have, and when I postpone rewarding them until they've earned it with excellent grades and clean rooms, they complain they are being de! prived and say: 'That's not fair. We're not Asian!'"

04/23/2007:
"As a teacher I agree Asians are good students. A major drawback is that their community puts too much pressure on them. This results in a myriad of behaviors that are ant-social. These behaviors include lying, cheating, and even attempting to sabotage others. Asian students are often insular and want to know only what somebody can do for them to improve their chances of succeeding in school."

04/23/2007:
"I am 1st generation with BS,BA. Currently coaching H.S. girl volleyball. My daughter will graduate at 16 year old with the top 5% students in the nation. She do good job in academic GPA 4.0+ and sport, Varsity Baskettball. The article is partially correct as I studied the course 'the Cultural Diversity in America'. I noticed that the American students had the stereotype type as author stated 'So .... Contrary to what much of the public may believe, Asian students are no more intellectually gifted than non-Asian students are....' The Asian student think that true too. This may take too many pages to write. This is the fact among the Asian culture in the 1st and maybe 2nd generation mentality, 'the butter and bread maker', 'We (parent) set goal, you (student) achieve'. This method has 'good and bad' outcome... (let you think, 'teenage...') a. Family and Parenting. b. Social relation and activities: 'leadership, public relation, personal psychology, religous' ... c. Art d. Creativity e. How to cop with pressure and failure... and ton of things when faces the reality. Be short,My R&S on the Asian Culture indicates that due to lack of social activities and understand social and personal psychology, the Asian-American has the suicide rate large than others cultures. This R&S among the success young adult with college degree. p.s Whatever you believe, but when the line of despare strides, can you stand firm? Love all."

04/20/2007:
"I am a 2nd generation Chinese American woman with a BS degree. This article almost described my childhood. I can see how some of the points mentioned regarding parental involvement in education, respecting education and teachers, taking on a student role, etc. can help a child succeed in school. However, the article doesn't address all the emotional and psychological games that Asian kids go through by trying to get those grades or the way their parents treat them. So many Asian kids grow up just feeling pressure to succeed and very little affection from their parents. Getting the good grades is their way of getting the acceptance and 'affection' from their parents. Some kids are so stuck in studying that other areas of their development are never fully developed, either socially or emotionally, or just being able to experience anything non-academic. So all that hype in the article is probably true, but there's always two sides to everything. I know, I lived it. My goal is to encourage my own children to be as well rounded as possible. I think that book smarts is one thing, but there are so many more things in life than just getting good grades and studying. We need to find a BALANCE! I'll be happy if my kids just turn out to be good, kind people. "

04/20/2007:
"This is an awesome article. I am an Asinan parent of 7 and 9 year olds and always felt there was this difference but this aricle articulates it so well. My job requirements call for a lot of travel and I am unable to perform the roe of the educator during the week and I can see the negative effect on my child's grades."

04/20/2007:
"It's great to believe you can achieve all A's. But it sometimes translates into I deserve all A's and if I am awarded anything else it is not valid. "

04/20/2007:
"Academic and professional success are aspirations chosen by individuals and nurtured by families regardless of their ethnicities. It is true that many Asian immigrant families make these goals a priority because they want their children to always have a better life than what they had. Many Asian people and other immigrants as well, see education as a way out of poverty. So it's a matter of how much value families put on education. It is not exclusive to Asian families. Many middle income families here in the US who live in plenty, compared to the rest of the world, don't put pressures on their children because a high school education can land them in a job just like their parents. Think of where a high school education can get you in any third world country. College degrees are required for many careers that can get you at or above the middle income level. Therefore, academic and professional success is driven more by an economic need rather than cultural values. Of cours! e, values such as respect for parents, elders, and persons of authority are generally coupled with these aspirations because it is all about helping each family member better themselves. "

04/19/2007:
"As a black parent, I perform many of the actons noted. I would not label them as cultural but efforts of one that values education. My wife is an educator, which is a great asset in our family. I have an advanced degree as well. However, the core issue is valuing education, instilling a desire to achieve and preparing for the future. However, that is mixed in with a balance of activities, typically two a semester. You must have mental, physical and emotional growth. Being studious is great, but who is the person. Is that person happy with who they are is important as well. So far my kids are doing quite well."

04/19/2007:
"By comparing 'Asian students' to 'American students' you're comparing apples to oranges. The achievement gap for Asian students existed because a majority of the early waves of Asian immigrants had the work ethic and values to help their children succeed. Compare them to the American families with the same values and you'll see the same performance. As the population of Asian students in America increases, the performance gap disappears or they lag behind their American counterparts. In Minnesota approximately 5% of the students are listed as Asian. The 2005 MCA (MN Comprehensive Assessment) test scores showed that 63.9% were proficient in reading and 50.0% were proficient in math. They trailed their white counterparts by about 13% in both reading and math. I find it ridiculous to portray practices that work for ALL students as somehow exclusively Asian. The data can be confirmed here... http://education.state.mn.us/"

04/19/2007:
"I truly appreciate this article. Especially for the dialogue it has opened up. As a parent, I believe it is our essential role to raise children who are productive members of society. Yes, if education is emphasized, your child will more likely be a higher achiever. However, we also need to evoke values of respect for teachers, parents, elders and peers. As parents, we are our children's first,consistent and continuous teachers. Education is highly emphasized in our home. It is not rewarded with toys/prizes but with praise and self-worth. I simply emphasize that my children be proud of the work they do and ask 'can you do better?' As a teacher, I do not see enough respect and discpline. Too much of my time is spent correcting behavior instead of teaching new material. A sense of entitlement is also highly present. My hope is that parents see this as an opportunity to explore or engage in a new perspective, not as an attack. Take from it the positives that you feel comfort! able with and BALANCE it with other activities like sports, music and volunteering. This will help our children become 'High achievers' socially as well. The hardest part I have is budgeting the time, but it is necessary, for our kids sake. "

04/19/2007:
"This comment is to the person who mentioned the VT kid and perhaps 'the Asian stress factor'. That's pretty funny because how often to do you hear about an Asian person doing anything like that? Lets be honest... not very often. So you cannot say that it's the 'Asian stress factor' that caused this. And 'lack of balance'? Are you sure about that? Have you checked the statistics lately? I'm a grad student at UCLA and not only do I study hard, I am very athletic. Working hard in school is not just about how much you will earn in the end. It's about earning respect. That piece of paper will earn you that respect in this country... especially being a minority. "

04/19/2007:
"I'm not a parent but I am an older sister who plays the role of a parent. I'm an Asian American and definitely agree to everything that is said. This is exactly what I do with my little brother when he gets home from school. I don't usually check random emails but when I saw 'How Do Asian Students Get to the Top of the Class?' it triggered me to read further. Thank you, A Proud Asian-American"

04/19/2007:
"This is a great article about creating values and expectations. I have 3 children ages 5, 9, 15 and I have always been dedicated to the education of my children. We are also an african-american family unit, ie, mother/father married for 17yrs, contrary to the belief of others. The problem with our children, as a whole it US. We give them things that they don't deserve ie, cell-phones, video games, etc.,let them listen to perverse music, and we don't hold them accountable for their actions or make them responsible young adults. Our 15yr old spent 7yrs in private school and the 1st yr he went to middle school he succumb to peer pressure and became out of control because we would not give him what his friends had and still won't. It has called great challenges in our home, but we are standing our ground ie, no phone or tv until homework is done and no cellphone. We need to know you are at all times, but many of his friend's parents are letting them do everything he can't ! do. In the mean time he has gone from an honor roll student to a D/F student in the public school system. We are considering taking him out, but he is so rebellious we are not sure if this will even help. We have done everything and yet it still is not enough to guarantee great results."

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